Reflections on the Symposium: Not Knowing and Coming to Know

 

 

 

 

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📆  DATE

Friday 10 Sep 2021

⏰  MELBOURNE TIME

7.00 – 9.00 pm

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Reflections on the Symposium Not Knowing and Coming to Know

Reflective practice in action with each member of the Symposium Planning Committee raises the highlight of the symposium for them, then small group discussions to discuss highlights of the symposium and what was gained from the papers and presentations attended. Followed by a large group open discussion.

The fundamental methods in psychoanalytic and socioanalytic research

PROF SUSAN LONG

Susan Long is a Melbourne based organisational consultant and executive coach. Previously Professor of Creative and Sustainable Organisation at RMIT University, she is now a Professor and Director of Research at the National Institute for Organisation Dynamics Australia (NIODA) and a coach and consultant in private practice. She is an associate of the University of Melbourne Executive Programs and teaches at INSEAD in Singapore and the University of Divinity in Melbourne where she is involved in a coaching program.

She has consulted to organisational change in the health and justice sectors and coached senior executives across many sectors. She has worked with executives from many different nationalities and from diverse industries, having taught or consulted in the UK, the USA, Ireland, the Netherlands, Germany, Russia, Israel, Thailand and Singapore. She also works as a supervisor and coach for organisational development professionals in Australia and Singapore. She has over 35 years of experience with Group Relations, having been on staff or directed many conferences.

Susan has been in a leadership position in many professional organisations and is an author having published ten books and many articles in books and scholarly journals, is General Editor of the journal Socioanalysis and an Associate Editor with Organisational and Social Dynamics. She is member of the Advisory Board for Mental Health at Work with Comcare and a past member of the Board of the Judicial College of Victoria (2011-2016). Susan is a distinguished member of ISPSO.

Responsive change to intentional transformation

MS JENNIFER BURROWS

Jennifer is the Educational Quality Assurance and Enhancement Manager at NIODA. She is an organisational development consultant and a learning and development practitioner with extensive experience supporting change innovations and curriculum development. Jennifer holds a Masters in Philosophy of Social Innovation (Organisational Analysis & Leadership) through the Grubb School of Organisational Analysis, as well as a Masters of Business (Training and Change Management). Jennifer is a Board member of Annecto, a not-for-profit age and disability support organisation and is a Director of Group Relations Australia.

John Gibney

MS JOHN GIBNEY

John is currently a student of the Master of Leadership and Management (Organisational Dynamics) at NIODA and the General Manager of Strategy, Culture & Performance at one of Victoria’s major building companies.

He has worked as a psychotherapist, marriage & family therapist, Clinical Director of Citizens Welfare Service of Victoria, and a socioanalyst/consultant for 20 years, Dean of International House, Univ of Melb. (4 years) and an intercultural consultant & CEO of his own consulting business, “Managing Differences” for 30 years. He has provided CEO/Executive development/ coaching, organisational improvement/change and turnaround programs to some 50 plus organisations internationally and in Australia.

At 69 John is planning to retire into a Phd. and attempt to write a book.

Fiona Martin

MS FIONA MARTIN

Fiona Martin is a Melbourne based organisational development and learning and development, practitioner. She has held leadership roles that have been responsible for innovation and change in the government, education, emergency management and private enterprise sectors including, RMIT and Swinburne Universities. She has published papers in scholarly journals and is a student of the Master of Leadership and Management (Organisation Dynamics), NIODA.

Cath McKinney

DR CATH McKINNEY

Cath worked as a prison Chaplain with Women for the past four years, and has recently taken up a role with the University of Divinity coordinating and co-teaching the graduate awards in professional supervision. She did her PhD work in the area of disappointment and the lived experience of lack, and lives in Daylesford with her family and a host of other sentient beings. She loves the earth, growing food and enjoys the capacity we have to see and be seen, hear and be heard and love and be loved.

Mr Thomas Mitchell

MR THOMAS MITCHELL

Over the last several years Thomas has enhanced his extensive professional experience by learning from, and working with, leaders across the executive coaching, group dynamics, and systems psychodynamics fields. A graduate of the NIODA Master of Leadership and Management – Organisation Dynamics, Thomas combines a deep understanding of working in large organisations with a passion for supporting others as they work toward achieving their goals and gaining deeper awareness of their actions and drivers. Highly skilled in creating a safe environment to support participants explore their roles, Thomas manages the balance between empathy and candour allowing participants to feel secure whilst having their assumptions challenged.

Sally Mussared

MS SALLY MUSSARED

Sally is the Director of Administration and Board Secretary at NIODA and is also a second-year student of the Master of Leadership and Management (Organisation Dynamics) course. The diversity of her current role is dynamic including administration, web design, bookkeeping, event management, technical support, secretarial work and business development. Pursing her love of creating things she completed a Bachelor of Fashion Design, and then created handmade silk wedding gowns, and diversely a diploma in Ecological agriculture living on a working farm on the outskirts of Melbourne whilst project managing for the local Landcare group. Sally has held positions on a number of boards including school, community groups and the catchment management authority. Sally hopes you have enjoyed this symposium.

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The fundamental methods in psychoanalytic and socioanalytic research

PROF SUSAN LONG

Panel

The following are presenting at this time

Responsive change to intentional transformation

MS JENNIFER BURROWS

John Gibney

MS JOHN GIBNEY

Fiona Martin

MS FIONA MARTIN

Cath McKinney

DR CATH McKINNEY

Mr Thomas Mitchell

MR THOMAS MITCHELL

Sally Mussared

MS SALLY MUSSARED

Knowing and coming to not know

Knowing and coming to not know

 

 

 

 

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Paper (parallel)

📆  DATE

Thursday 9 Sep 2021

⏰  MELBOURNE TIME

9.00 - 11.00 am

⏰  LOCAL START TIME

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Mr Fred Wright

Mr Fred Wright

Workplace Conciliator, Government of Victoria, Australia

MAppSci(OD), MSW, GradDip(Crim), BA.

Fred has over 40 years experience in public sector administration in a range of operational and management positions across Victorian Government Departments including Justice, Human Services, and Environment. In 2011 he established the Organisational Ombudsman program in the Department of Environment, Land, Water and Planning, which was the first Ombuds program in a government department in Australia.

He is a member of the Directorate of Group Relations Australia, and a board member of NIODA. He is also Chair of the International Outreach Committee and Co-Chair of the Asia Pacific Regional Advisory Committee of the International Ombudsman Association.

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Knowing and coming to not know. Reflections on the dynamics operating in organisations responding to crises

My first response to the inviting title of NIODA’s 2021 Symposium was to think how ‘right’ that title felt and indeed how appropriate and timely the topic was as we fumble our way through our Covid infected world. But when I sat down to put pen to paper to consider what I might be able to contribute to the Symposium, it became apparent that both my observations and experience of working in this environment was not well reflected by the phrase ‘Not Knowing And Coming To Know’. Indeed my experience of the dynamics operating in organisations is that often what is known becomes unknown, somehow lost and inaccessible when critical decisions are to be made.

In this session, I will explore the complex and at times chaotic nature of the dynamics operating in organisations as they attempt to navigate through what are incredibly challenging times. This will include considering the impact that current high levels of anxiety and uncertainty can have upon thinking and action. Indeed under the current conditions considered thought can be replaced by unconscious enactment. I believe an example of this was analysed by the Coate inquiry into Hotel Quarantine, where it was determined that the decision about the enforcement model for people detained in quarantine was ‘adopted by acquiescence’ and indeed ‘remained an orphan, with no person or department claiming responsibility’.

Bion’s important work on memory and desire is at the heart of the theme of this conference. I will consider whether his thoughts can assist us in understanding the complexity of the current dynamics and what might be needed to support thinking under the fire of this pandemic. I will also explore whether Symington’s concept of ‘an act of freedom’ might be helpful when considering what might be needed to break the grip of these powerful dynamics.

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Small group discussion; impressions of the paper and developing questions for the presenter

20 MINS

Discussion forum with the presenter; moderated for the speaker to elaborate their ideas

10 MINS

Discussion forum with the presenter; themes from the discussions

5 MINS

Break

30 MINS

Whole symposium open reflection discussion 

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Responsive change to intentional transformation

MS JENNIFER BURROWS
MS HELEN McKELVIE
MR THOMAS MITCHELL

Responsive change to intentional transformation: Exploring NIODA’s transition to an online environment

Dr Kate Dempsey

DR ELLEN PITTMAN

The Hive Model for High-Performing Hospitals: Lessons from the complexity sciences

Pivotal Development Events in the Lives of Emotionally Mature Leaders

DR BARRY RUBIN

Pivotal Development Events in the Lives of Emotionally Mature Leaders: A Psychodynamic Perspective

Jenny Smith

MR FRED WRIGHT

Knowing and coming to not know. Reflections on the dynamics operating in organisations responding to crises

First People’s Ways of Knowing Panel

First People’s Ways of Knowing Panel

 

 

 

 

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Panel

📆  DATE

Thursday 9 Sep 2021

⏰  MELBOURNE TIME

5.00 - 7.00 pm

⏰  LOCAL START TIME

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Panel – Yarning around the fire: The Australian First Nations traditional
method for not knowing and coming to know

Ray Minniecon, Mishel McMahon and Terri Marsden are indigenous Australians who are leaders in the sectors of finance and banking, Aussie Rules Football, Maternal and Child Health, and community ministry.

Their stories (yarns) can only be understood and appreciated in the context of the Australian Indigenous ways of knowing. The presenters are the windows into being, of time, place, animate and inanimate, dreamtime, songlines and moieties. They will offer an experience of learning through yarning. The method of seeking to understand, not to reply, as a respectful mode for learning. Seeking to Be curious, be present, and to re-imagine.

Join us as we “walk backwards into the future”.

Ms Terri Marsden

Ms Terri Marsden

Financial Capability Assistance, Gippsland Bushfire Recovery, Good Shepard, Australia

Senior Leadership professional with substantial experience in leading, building and motivating high performing teams and cultures. Career Banker with a diverse background in Lending, Operations, Contract Centres and Project Management. My qualifications include a Master Degree in Applied Science (Organisation Dynamics) from RMIT, ANZ Bank Six Sigma Black Belt in LEAN, Certificate IV in Project Management, Diploma of Business (Banking and Finance).

I grew up in Sydney, my culture being Yuin and country the beautiful NSW south coast, I now live in regional Victoria. I promote and lead community involvement, holding a past volunteer Directorship for nine years on the Board of ‘The Long Walk’ charity established by Michael Long to build awareness of Indigenous Australian issues. I am a current SES volunteer, with the Leongatha unit as Deputy Controller – Members.

Dr Mishel McMahon

Dr Mishel McMahon

Co-ordinator Victorian Aboriginal Accord Project, Victorian Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation

Mishel McMahon is a proud Yorta Yorta woman, she grew up in a large family in the Murray river region. Mishel completed her undergraduate degree of Bachelor of Human Services and Honours in Social Work in 2012 at La Trobe. Mishel has worked at various First Nations organisations, including Indigenous Academic Enrichment Advisor at La Trobe organising Sorry Day and NAIDOC events. Mishel began her PhD, undertaking research that revealed principles of First Nations Relational ontology and childrearing, using Aboriginal methodology, and Yorta Yorta language.

Mishel recently won Premier’s Research Awards for Aboriginal Research 2019, Fellowship for Indigenous Leadership 2019 and recently worked as Social Work lecturer at Shepparton La Trobe, campus. Mishel is in the last stages of developing a First Nations Health & Wellbeing mobile app, and shorts films from her Fellowship.

Currently, Mishel is Victorian Aboriginal Research Accord Co-ordinator at VACCHO and lives in Elmore on Yakoa river in central Victoria. Mishel writes short stories influenced by the genre of Aboriginal teaching stories and has exhibited her poetry and photography in Bendigo NAIDOC Art Exhibitions, Dudley House.

Pastor Ray Minniecon

Pastor Ray Minniecon

Elder Indigenous statesman, Australia

Ray Minniecon is a descendant of the Kabi Kabi nation and the Gurang Gurang nation of South-East Queensland. Ray is also a descendant of the South Sea Islander people with connections to the people of Ambrym Island.

Ray is the former CEO of Kinchela Boys Home Aboriginal Corporation and the Former National Director of the Indigenous work of World Vision a role he held for six years. Ray was instrumental in the partnership with annecto that saw the first Federal Aged Care Packages accessible for the Aboriginal Community in Australia
Ray has spoken about indigenous issues at local, national and international forums. In 1995 he made an intervention at the UN in Geneva on behalf of Indigenous Peoples at the first hearing of the Draft Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

In 2001, he spoke in Italy at a Global Forum on Ethics and Economics, where he also had a private audience with the Pope.
Ray is currently a Director of Bunji Consultancies, which supports Aboriginal leadership and business initiatives with a number of corporate clients and is a consultant on the development of programs and projects for the remaining Stolen Generation communities with the University of New South Wales.

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Not Knowing and Coming to Know Panel Panelist

MS TERRI MARSDEN

Not Knowing and Coming to Know panel

DR MISHEL McMAHON

Not Knowing and Coming to Know Panel

PASTOR RAY MINNIECON

Not Knowing and Coming to Know Panel 2

Not Knowing and Coming to Know Panel 2

 

 

 

 

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Panel

📆  DATE

Thursday 9 Sep 2021

⏰  MELBOURNE TIME

5.00 - 7.00 pm

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Straddling the Fence: exploring the boundary between knowing and not knowing, wanting to know and defenses against coming to know.

It can be painful to stay in the knowing and it takes energy to stay in the not knowing. This panel will explore the experience of translating from one state of knowing/not knowing to another from the perspective of the three panelists: Social Dreaming, moving between different ways of becoming including transgender, and Family Systems work. Join us to explore how we might look at the world together through creating a broader sensemaking field as we pay attention to the other on the edge of our knowing. This panel is an invitation to think together through using new frames that provoke new questions.

Mr Simon d'Orsogna

Mr Simon d'Orsogna

Director, Psychotherapist, Clinical Trainer, Mind Beyond Institute, Australia

Simon is a Systemic Family Therapist with training specializations in working with couples and survivors of trauma. As a clincal trainer he has facilitated and arranged trainings and workshops in the region since 2015, founding and leading trainings of Internal Family Systems, Coherence Therapy, Person Centred Experiential Therapies and Polyvagal Informed Clinical Practice. Pre-pandemic he presented at the US annual IFS Conference as well as in leading workshops in Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, and across Australia and New Zealand.

Dr Franca Fubini

Dr Franca Fubini

Psychoanalytic psychotherapist, Group analyst & Organisational consultant, Italy

Franca Fubini lives in Italy and works as a psychoanalytic psychotherapist, group analyst and organisational consultant.

Chair of Social Dreaming international Network (SDiN), associate chair of Il Nodo Group (Italy). Member of ISPSO and of OPUS. Lecturer at Rome, Perugia and L’Aquila University in the field of Psychology and Human Resources. Senior Fellow of University College of London (UCL). Member, consultant and director of the Italian Group Relations conferences as well as being staff of international Group Relations Conferences.

She has worked with Gordon Lawrence since the 1990s and developed Social Dreaming in Italy with him and Lilia Baglioni. They delivered together the first SD trainings. She has designed and directed two recent editions of the SDiN training.

She has contributed to the creation of ‘Blossoming in Europe’ a program which has connected for ten years European countries through the medium of cultural and art events.

Dr Josephine Inkpin

Dr Josephine Inkpin

Minister of Pitt Street Uniting Church, Australia

Josephine Inkpin is the first openly and fully recognised transgender Anglican priest in Australia, now currently working as Minister of Pitt Street Uniting Church in Sydney. Originally from England, a former General Secretary of the NSW Ecumenical Council, and later described as a ‘Dangerous Woman of Queensland’, she is a historian and theologian who has taught in various university settings over the years. Chair of Equal Voices, a national network of LGBTIQ+ Christians and allies, Jo has also been a prominent leader in inter-faith, multicultural, Reconciliation and other justice activities over many years.

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Not Knowing and Coming to Know Panel

MR SIMON D'ORSOGNA

Not Knowing and Coming to Know Panel

DR FRANCA FUBINI

Not Knowing and Coming to Know Panel

DR JOSEPHINE INKPIN

Tolerating the incompleteness of knowledge

Tolerating the incompleteness of knowledge

 

 

 

 

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Paper (parallel)

📆  DATE

Friday 10 Sep 2021

⏰  MELBOURNE TIME

5.00 - 7.00 pm

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Mrs Ekaterina Shapovalova

Mrs Ekaterina Shapovalova

Senior Lecturer, National Research University, Russia

MSc Management (LUBS, Leeds, UK), MA Psychology (HSE, Moscow) Psychodynamic coach and business consultant working with private clients and organisations, psychodynamic psychotherapist. Managing partner at Subcon Business Solutions, Senior lecturer on the Master’s Program ‘Psychoanalysis and Business Consulting’ at Higher School of Economics, Member of ISPSO, Board member and Certified Professional Business Coach of Association of Psychoanalytic Coaching and Business Consulting. Based in Moscow.

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120 minutes

Tolerating the incompleteness of knowledge: experience of professional transition in coaches and consultants

Being psychodynamic coaches and consultants we always find ourselves accompanying processes of change and transition in our clients, individuals and organizations. Our own experience of professional transition into coaching or consulting practitioner should be used as a rich resource of knowledge about the unconscious dynamics of change. The paper presents findings of the author in her role as a senior lecturer at the Higher School of Economics (Moscow) Master’s on Psychoanalysis and Business Consulting which helps people of various professional backgrounds move to become coaches and organizational consultants or develop a consultancy stance in their current professional roles. Educational experience of the students includes experiential learning events conducted in the form of Social Dreaming Matrix and Social Photo-Matrix devoted to the topic of professional transition. The discoveries of one Photo-matrix and two Social dreaming matrices with students at different years are presented.

Certainly, group reflective practice helps beginning practitioners to join with their emotions and unconscious conflicts of the transformation process, help see and realize these difficult internal processes as normal and felt and experienced by other peers and thus be more able to cope in a less defensive way with the challenges of development and learning.

The author argues that working through unconscious internal conflicts of professional transition in a reflective space of the group setting helps coaches and consultants to deeply feel though the dynamics of change, with all the internal forces of resistance, and emotional turmoil and develop one’s negative capability to be able to withstand, allow and let go the anxiety and wait for new thinking to reemerge, in oneself and further – in one’s client.

The case of Social Photo-Matrix with the group of students in the final stage of their learning process became a space of containment for enormous anxiety, fear and aggression which got uncovered by the associations to the photographs taken with the topic of “On the verge of change” in mind. Participants were first stroke and then disappointed that the change process for them is “indeed that drastic as to other ordinary people”. The matrix allowed a lot of unspoken but felt emotions to surface, be experienced, and be contained. And the emotional dynamic of the Matrix could well be matched to the dynamics of mourning and change.

The two cases of the Social Dreaming Matrix with students in the middle of the study programme (between the 1st and the 2nd years of study) set the conditions for experiencing the emotional facets of change as a process of narcissistic injury and recovery through abandoning the phantasy of omnipotence, miracle and admitting the reality of imperfection and incompleteness.

In both cases the Matrix gave birth to profound metaphors to be taken by participants to help tolerate uncertainty and incompleteness both of the study process and of the new professional identity. Of the most picturesque images to that dynamics were the invasion of repetitive dreams with the same scenario of pressing the button (in associations “the magic button”) in an elevator and always getting to the wrong floor (in one SDM), and the image of a suitcase which it turns out impossible to be packed properly though more and more clothes and things are being put into it (in the second SDM). Interestingly the experience of professional transition in the COVID time in the most recent Social Dreaming Matrix (which took place in May 2021) was heavily influences by the pandemic dynamics and uncovered the deep traumatic nature of the change process.

We can all have very different life, professional and organizational experiences compared to that of our clients, and we don’t need our experiences to be namely the same to be able to understand them. But what experience needs to be shared – is that of reflecting upon the process of change, which for students and beginning practitioners opens doors for better understanding of their clients and increased capacity to contain, stay in uncertainty and tolerate the ultimate incompleteness of one’s own knowledge.

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Small group discussion; impressions of the paper and developing questions for the presenter

20 MINS

Discussion forum with the presenter; moderated for the speaker to elaborate their ideas

10 MINS

Discussion forum with the presenter; themes from the discussions

5 MINS

Break

30 MINS

Whole symposium open reflection discussion 

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Knowing, not knowing, and virtual technology

MR MARK ARGENT

Knowing, not knowing, and virtual technology: an “organisation on the screen”?

Sonja Blignaut Marietjie Vosloo

MS SONJA BLIGNAUT
DR MARIETJIE VOSLOO

Towards fostering a Sense of Belonging in the Post-Pandemic Workplace

Want To Know What Lies Below-the-Surface! Really?

MR MANAB BOSE

Want To Know What Lies Below-the-Surface! Really?

Tolerating the incompleteness of knowledge

MRS EKATERIA SHAPOVALOVA

Tolerating the incompleteness of knowledge: experience of professional transition in coaches and consultants

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